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Don Levit
11/17/2008 01:47 PM
Brian:
Interesting alternative you are suggesting the participant pursue in order to provide a win-win for all.
The more I think about subrogation, the more I dislike it, particularly in a winner (ERISA plan) take-all arrangement.
Can it be accurate to think that the premiums for the health coverage
DO take subrogation into account?
Are lawyers not able to simply add the subrogation proceeds to the settlement?
Don Levit
Roger Baron
11/17/2008 01:47 PM
Unfortunately there is no discussion in the Shank case about insurance on the risk. Atttached to a recent form 5500 recently filed for Wal-Mart, there are 49 schedules A forms, each of which reveal insurance covering part of the various risks covered by the ERISA plan. Some of these insurers are life insurers, but most are health insurers. Under Missouri law, there is no subrogation on personal injury claims and any portion of this risk which was paid by an insurance company should NOT be subject to reimbursement. According to the law set forth in FMC v. Holliday and the "savings clause" of ERISA, state regulatory law controls the right of an insurance company to reimbursement. There are numerous federal cases upholding this proposition. It seems that many lawyers do not aggressively look for the "insurance company" connection for reimbursement claims. Also, ERISA plans are very skillful in covering up that connection.
Don Levit
11/17/2008 01:47 PM
Roger:
Thanks for your comments.
Are you saying that Wal Mart's ERISA plans are fully insured?
I would assume a company like Wal-Mart would self insure a good portion of its claims.
As I understand federal law, a partially self funded plan is considered self insured, not fully insured.
Therefore, the savings clause and state insurance law would not apply, even to the risk assumed by the stop-loss insurer.
Can you cite some of the federal cases you wrote about?
By the way, I really like Justice Stevens' dissenting opinion in FMC. v. Holliday when he talks about regulating self-insured plans similarly to fully insured plans.
"Application of state insurance laws to uninsured plans would make direct payment of benefits pointless, and in most cases not feasible. This is because a welfare plan would have to be operated as an insurance company in order to comply with the requirements of state insurance codes designed with the typical operations of insurance companies in mind.
The result would be to reintroduce an insurance company, which the direct payment plan was designed to dispense with. Thus it can be seen that the real issue is not whether uninsured plans are to be regulated under state insurance laws, but whether they are to be permitted."
Makes you wonder why so many states regulate self-funded MEWAs, as if they were fully-blown commercial insurers?
Don Levit
Roger Baron
11/17/2008 01:47 PM
Don,
The "regulation" by state law applies to the insurer, not the self funded plan. One of the frivolous arguments which ERISA Plans and their insurers make is that a "self-funded plan does not lose its status as being a self-funded plan by having insurance." Well, I have no problem with that statement. The savings clause applies to the INSURER which is insuring the self-funded plan! Another frivolous argument which you will find is that the insurance covers the plan, not the beneficiary. So what! If you go to the language from FMC Corp. v. Holliday 498 U.S. 52, you will see that this is exactly what is to be regulated by state law! (see quoted language below). In FMC v. Holliday, the ERISA plan secured 100% of the plan participant’s tort recovery of $49,825 despite the fact the plan member’s medical expenses alone exceeded $178,000. The Court noted that the reimbursement was sought by the plan on behalf of itself and not for an insurer of the plan. As to any such affiliated regulated insurers, the Court stated,
“On the other hand, employee benefit plans that are insured are subject to indirect state regulation. An insurance company that insures a plan remains an insurer for purposes of state laws, ‘purporting to regulate insurance’ after application of the deemer clause [of ERISA]. The insurance company is therefore not relieved from state insurance regulation. The ERISA plan is consequently bound by state insurance regulations insofar as they apply to the plan’s insurer.” Id. at 62.
There are numerous federal court opinions which uphold this principle. I can send you a synopsis of those opinions by e-mail. Just write to me at Roger. [email protected]. Below is my synopsis of a recent (post-Sereboff) opinion from a Georgia Federal District Court.
Smith v. Life Insurance Company of North America, 2006 WL 2842529 (N.D. Georgia Sept. 28, 2006) – The Court applied the make-whole doctrine (on a default basis) and also held, as an alternative basis for its decision, that the Georgia anti-subrogation law applies to the insured ERISA plan. The court stated, “The Supreme Court’s holding in FMC Corp. also compels a finding that Georgia’s anti-subrogation statute is not preempted. In FMC, the Supreme Court held that Pennsylvania’s anti-subrogation statute regulated insurance because it controlled the terms of insurance policies by invalidating any subrogation provisions… Finally, the deemer clause does not apply because the Plan is not self-funded. Rather, the plan purchases an insurance policy from an insurance company to satisfy its obligations to plan participants… Thus, the instant plan is an insured plan and not captured by the deemer clause.” 2006 WL 2842529 at *15. (quoted language taken from text accompanying footnote 10). No appeal was taken from this case. Accordingly the district court opinion is final.
Don Levit
11/17/2008 01:47 PM
Roger:
I like the way you think.
You don't merely take the court's opinions as the gospel truth. I would assume that would apply to any court, including the Supreme Court.
Yes, the courts are nitpicking when they speak of the plan versus the beneficiary, when it comes to stop-loss policies.
Apparently, state laws apply only to insurers of individuals, not to insurers of plans themselves.
I think that distinction is rather arbitrary and capricious.
Actually, when the Supreme Court distinguished between self-insured ERISA plans and self-funded ERISA plans (I think it was in Metropolitam v. MA), that distinction was reading into ERISA what was never there.
ERISA plans are not defined on how they are funded. They are defined on if they are established or maintained by employers or employee organizations.
Unfortunately, that seems to be the law of the land, including the opinion you cited in Smith v. Life Insurance Company of North America.
Apparently, that plan was a fully insured plan, so the anti-subrogation state law applied.
If it was self-funded (even with stop-loss insurance), the state law would not have applied.
Thanks for providing your E-mail. I will send you mine now.
Don Levit
Don Levit
11/17/2008 01:47 PM
Roger;
Correction to my post. What I meant to say was when the Supreme Court distinguished between self-insured and fully insured ERISA plans.
Don Levit
Roger Baron
11/17/2008 01:47 PM
Don,
Thanks for your posting and e-mail.
I think the key is to look at a particular situation and determine how much of the medical bills were paid (or underwritten) by insurance and how much of these bills were absorbed by the plan itself. As to that portion which was paid or underwritten by insurance, then the right to reimbursement would be controlled by the appropriate state law. So, for example if the situation were in Missouri or Arizona (states which prohibit subrogation on personal injury claims), and there was a loss generating $80,000 in medical bills and Wal-Mart's insurer (these are identified on schedule A of form 5500) paid $50,000, then none of the $50,000 should be subject to a reimbursement claim.
Don Levit
11/17/2008 01:47 PM
Roger:
Thanks for the sypnoses.
I think your premise of the stop-loss insurer not being able to recoup the medical reimbursement is a good one.
However, if that was the case, don't you think the stop-loss insurer would simply increase the next year's premium by the amount it hoped to recover?
If that did happen, who would ultimately pay: the ERISA plan.
Subrogation is, supposedly, intended to save the ERISA plan the premium increse (while shortchanging the beneficiary).
Let's look at this from a legal perspective.
Are you aware of any federal court cases which stated that stop-loss insurance made the plan fully insured, and thus subject to state insurance law?
Are you familiar with American Medical Security v. Bartlett?
This happened in the federal district court of Maryland, in which Bartlett was the Maryland insurance commissioner.
Even with a deductible as low as $10,000, the plan was considered self-insured, with the remainder of the liability assumed by the stop-loss insurer.
All the cases you cited dealt with fully insured plans. Were any of these insured through stop-loss policies? Apparently not, since the participants were reimbursed directly by the insurer, as opposed to the plan itself being directly reimbursed by the stop-loss insurer.
Don Levit
Roger Baron
11/17/2008 01:47 PM
Don, with years of being involved with this issue, I can tell you that I have never found that subrogated recoveries (reimbursement recoveries) have EVER flowed to the benefit of the insureds (whether the insured is a plan or an individual). Ever! Subrogated recoveries flow first and primarily to fund those who pursue the recoveries themselves -- the subro lawyers and subro bill collectors and subro departments of insurers, and then secondarily into executive compensation, bonuses, etc for insurance personnel. I might also add that this whole business of subrogation/reimbursement has flourished into a cottage industry which has given birth to an Army of Amicus Briefs in the Supreme Court on any ERISA Reimbursment case. These vultures which are funded with the compensation intended for the victims of catastrophic loss. Their very existence is a sad commentary on the state of affairs in the U.S.
The subrogated recoveries are never factored into rates because they are too speculative in nature. I have published a law review article which addresses this.
Roger Baron
11/17/2008 01:47 PM
P.S.
As to the notion of the stop gap insurer, the industry has been getting away with this for a few years. Basically the ERISA plans and the stop gap insurers bootstrap the stop gap insurer into ERISA preemption and such was never intended. If you go back and read the 4 sentences from the FMC v. Holliday case, you will see that state law regulating reimbursement applies to all insurers insuring ERISA plans. It doesn't matter (or shouldn't matter) whether or not the plan is fully insured. Presently many stop gap insurers enjoy reimbursement through the efforts fronted by the ERISA plan or one of the bill collectors for the reimbursement.
This is especially egregious if you consider the public policy found in the McCarran Ferguson Act which provides that State Law should regulate Insurers ... this public policy is implanted in ERISA through the Savings clause and the Supreme Court clearly recognized this in FMC v. Holliday.
Brian S. King
11/17/2008 01:47 PM
Sorry I'm late to the party on this comment thread!
I agree with both of your comments about the illusion that has been created by "self-funded" plans. On the one hand, there are ERISA plans that are genuinely self funded. For example, an ERISA welfare benefits fund that has been created through a collective bargaining with no stop loss insurance coverage (or stop loss insurance coverage that only kicks in at very high levels) is on one end of the spectrum.
On the other end of the continuum is an employee welfare benefits plan sponsored by a small business that has a relatively high deductible per employee and then buys stop loss insurance for the great bulk of any significant claims that will come through. There are a number of insurers who have been marketing small employers with just such a product. Great-West Life is one that I think is still out there aggressively pushing that kind of product.
Congress pretty clearly didn't intend the employer who is "self-funded" only in a nominal sense to have the insurers of its benefits shielded from state insurance regulation. More important, Congress didn't intend that the participants and beneficiaries of such a plan to be stripped of the protections of state insurance law. Professor Baron's comments and citations help establish that.
Having said that, I've never seen a court make the common sense distinction between the analysis for benefits provided through self funding vs the benefits provided through an insurer in the way that Roger points out. That is unfortunate.
The Ninth Circuit, in United Food v. Pacyga, 801 F.2d 1157 (9th Cir. 1986) suggested that if any portion of the plan is self funded, all benefits provided by the plan will be insulated from state insurance law. Frustrating. It ends up providing some support for the type of result we see in Shank.
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